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Old 06-25-2008, 09:03 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Gabe,

Your RX-8 is gorgeous! I strongly recommend investing in some leather cleaner and conditioner right away; your choice of seat colors is going to require extra care. I have black leather seats, and although they are much more forgiving in the care department, they wreak havoc on the legs here in South Florida!

It sounds to me like you are taking the right approach in gaining confidence in driving a manual. I wouldn't worry so much about the clutch and stalling the car as long as you always warm the car up prior to practicing. Have fun with it, and keep us posted!
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Old 06-26-2008, 09:40 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Hey guys, an update:

First of all, I'm getting the hang of stick and am fairly relaxed and comfortable driving around the city. A couple changes I made in driving are (let me know if they are good habits or not) whenever I'm approaching a red light I shift into neutral and coast slowly until it turns green and either get it into first gear if I had to stop or slowdown majorly to like 4km/hour or to second if I'm still coasting at like 20km/hour. Whenever I'm turning, I also shift into neutral as I approach the intersection/turn and shift into 2nd if I see i don't have to make a full stop or first if i do have to make a stop or close to it. I haven't been shifting into neutral much before because my instructor told me to downshift to a lower gear. I like shifting into neutral way more and it is way easier; I make the turn in neutral often as well and then change to 2nd as soon as I'm done with the turn (and holy crap the handling is amazing, it takes turns SO smoothly it's awesome). I've been looking for any excuse to drive around. So far, my L/100km is not great and I suspect this first tank will end up getting me about 320km-340km which is pretty bad. But I assume that's because I was learning on it and my next tank should do better, right?

Also, I bought some armor all leather cleaner and I bought a special wax/soap combo to wash the car with. Asked the guy at Canadian Tire what he would recommend and got those. I tried washing my car (even though it was pretty clean, just wanted to spend time with it, lol, is this normal?) but it didn't turn out so well. The guy warned me about washing the car in the shade but unfortunately that was not possible yesterday unless i washed it in my garage which I didn't want to do. But here is what happened. At first I washed it and it looked great, but some parts were drying up before I got a chance to hose them down and when it all dried up the car had a bunch of water marks on it and it looked worse than before I washed it. Anyone have any tips for this? thanks.

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Old 06-26-2008, 11:53 AM   #23 (permalink)
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You're starting bad habits....

When you're coming towards a stop, gear down as you go.. You always want to make sure you are in the right gear every time. If something happens, you need to be able to accelerate and control the car. Plus, you use more fuel in neutral than in gear with no gas, so you'll save fuel coasting in gear as well.

Making turns in neutral? get out of that habit real quick. First off it's a sports car, and you've already mentioned how great the handling is. Making a car turn a car at anything more then pedestrian speeds requires balancing the car. Imagine you make a turn in neutral and the car starts to skid out of control, the last thing you want to do is try to find a gear, especially since I doubt you've got rev matching down yet, then bring the car out of a skid.

You need the throttle to control the car thru the turn. I'll go so far as to say it's dangerous otherwise.. not to be hypicritical, I've done it when I'm trying to dial my phone, drink my coffee, and shave at the same time, but I don't make a habit of it. Infact, you'll be surprised how much more planted the car is when you go thru a turn with some gas on it.

Remember, when you hit the gas, the front end comes up, the back end goes down, if the back end breaks loose, you need to counter steer and roll on the throtle to get the weight over the back wheels, conversely, if the front end starts to plow, you can let of the throttle to get some weight over the front wheels, plus steering in to the skid rapidly to regain traction, but that's something else all together.. I'm rambling.

Mileage on RX8s suck.. it's a known quantity with them, but I haven't driven one for a while, so I can't remember what a good figure is, but if it's much more then you're getting, I'd be surprised.

As for washing, once you've rinsed it, keep it wet until you can dry it.. if you're drying the hood, keep spraying the back until you can get to it. Dark cars dry instantly in the sun, you won't stand a chance otherwise.

Buy some microfibre towels and a california waterblade, and you can fly thru a wash.

As for wanting to be around it.. nothing wrong with that man, if you weren't passionate about your car, like we are, you wouldn't spend time on a website talking about it
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Old 06-26-2008, 12:06 PM   #24 (permalink)
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thanks for that response mindcore,
I'll start making turn in 2nd gear. But I'm still unsure as to why I can't just coast in neutral when I'm going towards a red light. I'll stop doing that but I still don't understand why it's bad (except for the fuel reasons). My friends does this as well and he's been driving for a while.

As for being in the right gear every time, so when you are in 4th gear and you're down shifting, you got to 3rd then 2nd then 1st? you don't go 4th, slow down, 2nd, then netural and then first?
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Old 06-26-2008, 04:13 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Well sure I do, sometimes I'll be in 6th and put it in neutral and cost for 500 ft. But.. you asked what was a good habit, and that is not a good one.

I am also able to select the gear I need at any speed in 2 seconds and put power down if I need to. If you were going 48MPH in neutral, and had to hit the gas to miss a truck, would you be able to raise the RPM's to match 3rd gear that you're selecting at the same time, release the clutch, and have the wheel speed match the RPM's, or would your car bog down, or peel out, or lock up the rear wheels all together because somehow you hit first instead of 3rd?

Know what I mean?

I'm doing a more of a do what I say, not what I do kind of argument. when the basics are second nature, after that you can do what you want.

When I'm on the track I never skip gears, if I hammer the brakes from 150 I go 5-4-3-2, power! I don't go from 5th to 2nd.. there's a lot going on when you're driving, hitting the wrong gear can cause you to ram your car into a gaurdrail.

Just so I'm clear, nothing you said was wrong, I do everything in your post 50 times a day, in between doing it "right"

But you're learning, learn it right, then decide to drive how you want afterwards..
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Old 06-26-2008, 04:28 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Mind, I appreciate your help.

I found today that I stalled 2 times after backing out of my driveway and trying to get it into first. But I stalled it in reverse, because I took my foot off the clutch and when the car came to a stop, it was stalled. When I back out should I not let go of the clutch completely? balance it with my foot to control speed and then when i want to come to a stop push it in, stop, and get it into first?

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Old 07-03-2008, 10:15 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Hi Gabe, glad you're enjoying your new motor (great looking, BTW), and gradually learning 'stick shift'.

I can't really add much more, other than take Mindcore's advice (as you have been). Key is to be in the correct gear for the speed you're travelling, with enough 'power' to get you out of a sticky situation.

Coasting in neutral is simply very wrong on all counts, primarily from a safety aspect, as already pointed out. Get out of that habit right away.

'Over there' is it not a requirement to have a driving test if you've passed in an automatic, and switch to 'stick' (manual)?? Here in the UK it is -- if you've passed in an auto, you're only eligible to drive an auto, and have to re-test in a manual.
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Old 07-05-2008, 06:06 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Love the car,just remember the saying from the gumball rally. 1st rule in italian driving "whats behind you doesna matter" "F**K EM!!!" when youre at a set of lights ignore everything behind you unless its got blue lights and a siren.youll be going round corners in 3rd gear soon and think nothing of it.it'll take a few more weeks then you wont even think about the gearshifting or if your in the right gear. good luck
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Old 07-08-2008, 12:51 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Hey guys,

A friend of mine is a pretty intense hobby photographer and my brother's gf is a professional model. We went out in the evening once it became dark and found a nice place to shoot some pictures. We shot a bunch of pictures and some of them turned out really good. I'll post a couple pics here if you guys are interested. Most of the pics aren't of just the car, their of me and the car, my brother's gf and the car, or me and my brothers gf and the car.

I'm actually considering framing a pic.

Also, as an update on my driving, I'm getting the hang of it mostly. I am obviously not the best driver yet but that's all good as all i need is more experience. I keep learning and adjusting every day and so that's good. Then I get really confident and start doing worse, become more conscious of everything and I start driving better. I just can't wait until it's just really instinct. Right now I can feel it developing into instinct so that's good.

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Old 07-08-2008, 12:54 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Umm lets see pics of cars and chicks? naw, I doubt anyone is interested



Glad to hear your driving is getting better.. truthfully, if I actually tried and though about what I was doing while driving stick, I'd probably be a weapon too, once you have it, you just do it.
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Old 07-09-2008, 02:25 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I'll have them up in a couple of days, my friend is working on them right now.
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Old 07-11-2008, 05:25 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Pictures to come soon...

Something is really bugging me and making me feel like shit though...

I started actually enjoying driving the rx8 (it's hard to enjoy it when all i think about is "clutch in, shift, slowly let go of the clutch, gas...oh shit, there's an uphill and a red light i better drive really slow so i don't have to come to a stop" type thoughts). But today I was driving when I had to come to a stop on a big uphill, one of the bigger ones I had to stop on for sure because some guy was turning left onto a side house on a major road. So I come to a stop but forget to shift into first right away. Cars start moving (there are many cars behind me) and I let go of clutch slowlly while gassing and i roll back like crazy revving the gas to like 7000rpms...i stop, let the rpms come down and try again...roll back and see the lady behind me starting to reverse because some idiot in front of her can't start his car...then i finally figure out i'm in neutral and I shift and go...made me feel like an idiot and really embarassing, not to mention dangerous. Then the lady had to stop behind me the next light and left a good 20 feet behind me lol...

sooo embarrassing and it's bugging me because I don't want to make stupid mistakes like that. As I said, as soon as I start getting comfortable I screw up somehow...

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Old 07-11-2008, 05:35 PM   #33 (permalink)
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It's happened to everyone. Don't beat yourself up about it. HEHE everyone has rolled back before, I'm sure a few of us ( thankfully not me ) have rolled back into the car behind.

You're still new at it, give it a little bit longer and it will be like breathing before you know it. In the meantime get good and judging the lights
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Old 07-11-2008, 06:15 PM   #34 (permalink)
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thanks Alain,
A couple questions, first, when I stop and have to start again, here is my process, let me know if I'm doing anything wrong...I just want to make sure. Once I come to a stop, I shift to first and let the clutch out a little bit. Once the light turns and i start moving i rev gas while letting clutch out slowly and probably rev to about 3000-3500 rpms before letting go off the clutch and starting to move and then once in motion, switch to second at about 3200-3500rpms...then switch to third at about 4000-5000 rpms...does this sound good to you guys?

I tried switching from 1st to 2nd at about 2000 rpms because I believe somebody in this thread said 1500-2000rpms... and it's very jerky so I don't think the car likes it. It's smoothest at those numbers. Only thing I'm not sure about is the fact that i rev to 3000rpm and then start moving...is that bad for the car?

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Old 07-11-2008, 08:31 PM   #35 (permalink)
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hey dont worry about rolling back it does happen.find yourself a steep hill in a quiet area of town or country and practise your hill starts,or pull aways. stop on the steep hill and apply the parkbrake.put your foot down on the clutch and engage 1st gear,rev the engine to 2000 revs and lift your foot up slowly to the point where you move and release the park brake,BUT KEEP YOUR HAND ON THE PARKBRAKE READY TO PULL IT ON! move up the hill 3 metres and put your clutch down back to the bite point so you dont roll back and just sit on the hill on the bite for a minute or so.keep doing this until you can pull away confidently uphill.then drive up it turn around and face downhill,this time engage reverse and do the same as before but only backwards all the while be ready to apply the park brake.practise builds confidence.when your at an uphill red Clutch down,1ST gear,park brake on ready to release.as the light changes rev up get the bite and release the park brake.if you ever panic CLUTCH DOWN,PARK BRAKE ON. practise makes perfect? NAH! practise makes you not even think about it at all.listen to the car revs and change gear when your want too,not on exact rev amounts.

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Old 07-16-2008, 04:45 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Hey guys, I'm hoping to get the pics up within a week...haven't talked to my friend in a while.

But I have some questions about cleaning the car. Every time I take it to a wash it has some water spots that i have to hand dry after i get home with a micro fiber towel. Is this normal? Also, when it's very sunny, there seem to be a lot of little scratches that are unnoticeable when it's not sunny but are very noticeable (to me at least) when it's bright out and I'm close to that car. This car is new and I'm wondering if it's normal? Any suggestions on how to get rid of them? Is the only way to get pain protection from the dealership (is that what it's called?)

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Old 08-05-2008, 10:00 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Pics are here...I'll just post the first 5 because imageshack takes long to upload them...

This one is a little dark but still a cool picture imo... http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/6035/carpic12ww4.jpg

This one is of me posing with the car (i hate posing)...
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/3886/carpic2zq2.jpg

Me posing some more...
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/7443/carpic3qo3.jpg

My brother's g/f in the car posing...
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/5089/carpic4xc0.jpg

Another one of her...this one is cool...
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/1249/carpic5aj3.jpg

I don't know why the pictures are turning up so small...they're way bigger on my screen.

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Old 08-06-2008, 12:14 AM   #38 (permalink)